Martin,
Here are some of the questions. Of course I think they're all
important, but feel free to pick and choose those that you feel are of
particular importance/relavence.
I appreciate your willingness to look at the questions and pass them
along. I hope this can be an ongoing dialogue as the more I read, the
more questions I have and I don't want to simply rely on my own
interpretations and representations of you and other miltia members.
Feel free to ask anything you'd like in return.
Thanks Again,
Charlton McIlwain
University of Oklahoma
cmcilwain@ou.edu
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I am in the process of answering your questions. Since my answers
will probably be different than those of other "militia leaders," I
shall of course take the liberty of mailing them BCC: e-mail. If
they choose to do so, they can of course reply.
The reason I answer questions from the press or from journalism
graduate students is because our struggle is in large part based
upon political matters and it is necessary for our side to
be understood, or at least to have stated an opinion. Since I am a
known quantity to the government, and since I have chosen to use my
talents in this manner, I view questions regarding our motivation
and overall grand strategy, as opposed to tactics, as opportunities
for the advancement of our cause.
Thank you for your time, attention, and patience.
Sincerely yours
--Martin Lindstedt
Managing Editor, "Modern Militiaman"
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 06:32:26 cst
From: "Jon Holloway" (jholloway@memc.com)
To: cmcilwain@ou.edu, mlindste@clandjop.com (Martin Lindstedt)
Subject: Re: Questions
Short answers to your questions Mr. McIlwain
Jon Holloway
42nd Mo Militia
P.S. Martin I usually do NOT reply to these "student questions"
because of the condescending tone they all have and more importantly,
as we are more tactical in nature, my tempermant and education do not
suit me to this kind of stuff, sorry if I show my ass. Plus between
you and me I could give a rats butt if folks "understand" us or not.
You know these are all just ploys to build up our profiles anyway. But
I figured I do not have any small animals to shoot, and I am outta
beer, and all my gun are clean , the wife has had her monthly beating,
I have reloaded my mandatory 5000 rds of .223, knives are sharp, maps
are updated, dogs are fed, kids are in bed, none of the flyz have
wings, I cannot find my Lon Hourichi scrapbook, etc, etc so let us
entertain the ivory tower boyz. );>
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QUESTIONS: 1. When you talk about the "New World Order". What do you mean? What groups are involved? What does such an "order" entail? And why are members of the miltia movement and other groups threatened by it? We do not think about the NWO, this is an urban myth perpetuated by the media. 2. Today’s technology boasts of making the world a smaller place, of being able to break down certain national/ethnic/racial barriers. Do you believe that this is a good and useful by-product of technoogical advances? Sure. 3. Do you as an individual, and the militia as a whole feel as though you have an identity? If so, how would you describe it. If not, what do you think accounts for your sense of identity loss or conflict? Let me ask you a rhetorical question do you have an identity? I have no identity loss conflicts, nor does anyone I know, what the heck kind of goobldity gook question is this???? 4. If you could give a profile of the typical militia member, how would you do so? Average citizens scared out of their wits because they see their country going down the tubes. Every one I know works over 40 hours a week pays their taxes, obeys the law. Generally but not always Christians, all different types of political affiliations, Republican/Democrat/Libertarian. 5. What do you see as being the most salient points of contention between the militia and the U.S. government? Infringement on the Bill of Rights. 6. What do you feel will be the "last straw" that will encourage violent conflict between militia members and the government? What do I look like a psychic??? I would imagine the govt. in it's infinite wisdom will try to "protect" someone or something and piss off the wrong person(s). Who knows? the buearats are famous for fumbling even the most simple of assignments -- it could be anything. Let's hope it is later rather than sooner. 7. Many in the mainstream press characterize militia members much the same as members of the KKK, Aryan Nations, and other white supremacist groups. Do members of the militia movement deny any and all such claims? Are there some militia groups that do espouse such an ideology? If so, would you say those groups are in the majority or minority? More media mythos, I have contacts all over the country. I do not know of one single group /unit/ cell that espouse any of the beliefs of the above groups. I am sure that there is some idiot out there somewhere who does, but I do not know him/her/it. You see those beliefs are anti American and go against the basic tenants of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Ergo they are not ideals we as militia persons hold dear or subscribe to. Actually you may not be aware of the fact that many militia groups and racist groups are in a state of conflict. 8. Do militia groups deny membership rights based on race, color, ethnic group, etc. Not ours or any that I know of -- in short NO! 9. What are the basic ideological prerequisites for membership in a militia organization? A fundamental belief in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. 10. Do you believe that minorities are big part of the cause in what you call America’s decline as a nation? No. You really need to watch less TV, but at least you are trying. A lot of these questions seem to be trolling for things we have no interest in as militia members. 11. How does it make you feel to know that you are being largely ignored or hardly taken seriously by the American population as well as the U.S. government? Would you say you are being ignored? Who cares? I am doing the right thing. I do not want to be popular or on the news or cover of the Rolling Stone. What we do does not require us to be media figures. During the American Revolution less than 20% of the total population was involved on both sides. Popular opinion only counts in elections. 12. If you had your way, how would you “fix” America? Make sure the federal and state govt. are operating WITHIN the constraints of the Constitution. That should take care of everything else. 13. What would you say is your primary motivation behind what you think, feel, do and say as a militia member in regards to your fellow citizens and your government? I am scared that we are becoming a police state ala Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. I do not want to be slave labor. 14. Would you say you are simply ideologically opposed to the U.S. Government, “New World Order”, etc., or are there some things about the way things are and the way things might be, that genuinely make you fearful? If so, what? Let's get this straight we LOVE our country and system of govt. But it is not adhering to the rules (Constitution, Bill of Rights). I could give a hoot in hell about the NWO crap. 15. Do you believe the proliferation of conspiracy theories touted by militia members give less credence to your movement. Do not know much about conspiracy theories -- most of them I see are on TV. 16. What do you feel keeps militia members and organizations from having a united, focused ideology or plan for what you want to accomplish? What are some major points of contention between various militia organizations? Human nature, although we seem to get along just fine here in Mo.. 17. Though you espouse “leaderless resistance”, would you say there are definite leaders in your movement? Who would you say some of those people are and what are their major functions. You would not know any of the names I gave you if I was stupid enough to do so. 18. Do you believe that there can be a peaceable solution to the problems you face with the U.S. Government? Lord God of Hosts I pray that there is a peaceful solution. But I seriously doubt it will come to pass that way because the govt. perceives us as the enemy. We perceive them as the Gestapo. You figure it out. 19. Are there other groups/movements that you feel a particular solidarity with outside of this country? If so, who? And, why? Yes. IRA. They win. 20. What amount of your frustration with the government would you say stems from economic hardships? 0%.
Martin, I would like to respond to this without revealing my
identity. If you would be so kind as to send this back to all who are
involved in this talk, I would appriciate it. Tell them that I am a
professional, and that I am a militia member, because by definition, I
am. Though I hold no alegience to any "group" or even "cell" per say, I
am definatly connected to more than a few "Like minded individuals".
This response is part of WHY I am such.......
13. What would you say is your primary motivation behind what you
think, feel, do and say as a militia member in regards to your fellow
citizens and your government?
I have been attacked because of my gender by the system. For
the last nine years I have had financial and punative sanctions leveyed
upon me by a corrupt and un just system. I have been forced to pay for
this "priveledge"
14. Would you say you are simply ideologically opposed to the U.S.
Government, "New World Order", etc., or are there some things about
the way things are and the way things might be, that genuinely make
you fearful? If so, what?
Case in point. This week, I pulled up to one of my stores, I
parked and went inside for about 45 min. I was parked in a one hour
zone. After that, I drove to my bank and did the deposit and transfer
of funds, I have the recipt which clearly shows the time of that
activity.
I drove back to the store and pulled into the first available
parking space. It just so happens it was the same one I had used
earlier.
Fiftenn min later, I look out and see the cops ticketing my
vehicle. I protested and showed my papers from the bank. They just got
in the car and drove away. I called the court, spent about twenty min
on hold and said screw this, so I hung up and drove to the court in
person. Stood in line like a good sheep and when I got to the window,
the woman behind that two inches of bullet proof glass got snotty and
told me I had to pay the ticket to see a judge!
I told her there was no way I was going to pay them AGAIN for
their mistake. I was not paying a parking ticket for spending 15 min in
a one hour zone. It was crazy! Now little miss, I am so powerfull
behing my bulletproof glass turnes to a policeman and said, "This one is
getting "VIOLENT" would you deal with it" and walked away from the
window! As if I was a danger to her behind all that bullet proof glass!
Cop comes out and tells me I have to pay "Bail" to get a court
date! Bail for WHAT? I was not arrested! I have a constitutional
RIGHT to fair and speedy trial!
He told me it was O.K. they would simply "come and impound the
vehicle"! So, they can hang paper on you for NOTHING and then take your
car? And NOWHERE do they have to give you a trial first? What ever
happened to a government OF the people BY the people and FOR the people?
I fought for this country and our freedoms. I had friends get
splattered ALL OVER ME in the field of combat. I deal with the
nightmares most nights caused by combat and the uglyness of it. Yet
they are going to treat me as a second or THIRD class citizen? And who
in the hell gave them the idea that if I refuse to simply accept their
bull, and cow tow to their demands for payment, payment, payment and
MORE payment, that I am suddenly "violent"?
Thomas Jefferson and many others who founded this country stated
QUITE CLEARLY that the Government SHOULD FEAR THE PEOPLE, not the other
way around. As an ex Green Beret, who has tasted many combat missions,
I fear no person or organization. Happens to you after you spend six
months at a time behind enemy lines without outside support. I survived
that and I will be DAMNED if I will allow my own government to destroy
me now.
The government is waging a war upon its own people. This war is
on a multitude of fronts. The Boston Tea Party, an incident that made
criminals out of ALL who were involved as far as teh king was concerned
and HEROS as far as the people were concerned was perpetrated over less
than ONE PERCENT of the taxs we struggle under today. Have we forgotten
our past? If so, history PROVES that we WILL RE-LIVE IT.
Not only that, but folks better listen up. The revolution that
made this country free was fought by a measly SIX PERCENT of the
population. As stated above, those who FORGET the past are DOOMED to
repeat it.........
God have mercy on us. I fear that my children shall see a full
blown civil war in this country. I was tasked in the service to not
only understand civil war and how they are won, but to predict them,
instigate them and WIN THEM. My government trained me and certifies me
as an expert on these issues, and then they expect me to sit back and
watch them create the same NIGHTMARE right in my own country?
I tried to fight back by getting involved in politics. It did
not work. Big money is in charge there. And I dont have it.
Therefore, I wait. I watch. I study my enimies and prepare for the day
they leave me no option but to take up arms.
Insanity is trying the same old thing expecting different
results. Therefore I dont try to change things politicaly.
Sanity is using those methods that WORK to acheive ones goals.
Wherefore I await the time to do so. I have been involved in more than
a half dozen civil wars. INTIMATELY as an advisor, a combatant and a
hired instigator at one time or another. I refuse to instigate, but god
have mercy on us ALL, I shall not sit this one out when big brother
comes knocking on my door.........
--Name Withheld by Request
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