Mr. X I've read all of your essays. I am a ph.d student doing some in depth research on the militia movement. As you know and have argued against, most writing about the movement today in the popular press simply categorizes the movement as mere hate groups similar to the KKK, etc. My research seeks to look beyond that into what seems are the main issues of the movement - those issues of government, soveriegnty, the new world order, etc. That is, I am trying to ascertain more clearly through scholarly research some of the underlying motivations and concerns of those in the movement. Anyway, I say that to ask if you would be willing to correspond with me on some different questions and so forth. As I said, I have read your essays and I take them at face value. However, anything read always brings up questions not answered in the text. I would really appreciate your help. [Greetings Martin, Since I am not in the militia, since I do not answer questions, maybe you would like to send him some of your writing on the militia?] charlton mcilwain University of Oklahoma cmcilwain@ou.edu Certainly. I still think you had ought to give your ideas to the press and outsiders, as by default they will demonize everything they cannot/refuse to understand. However, I defer to your principles and strategic decision to refuse to be misquoted outside your exact words in your writings. Thank you for bringing this opportunity to my attention. --Martin Lindstedt Mr. McIlwain: Mr. X has brought your request to my attention. I have answered a number of such queries before for the purpose of clarifying, thus legitimizing Resistance objectives and actions. If you would, perhaps you could read some of my past postings on my WWW pages, and then pose your questions, which will be answered in full and honestly or not answered at all by myself. I will send your questions and answers to other militia organizations, most of which do not agree with me at all, in the interests of maintaining open lines of communication. You can ask them the same questions and probably get different answers. What you make of such a Babel of different answers will determine whether you are PhD material or not, won't it? --Martin Lindstedt Managing Editor, "Modern Militiaman"
Martin,
Here are some of the questions. Of course I think they're all
important, but feel free to pick and choose those that you feel are of
particular importance/relavence.
I appreciate your willingness to look at the questions and pass them
along. I hope this can be an ongoing dialogue as the more I read, the
more questions I have and I don't want to simply rely on my own
interpretations and representations of you and other miltia members.
Feel free to ask anything you'd like in return.
Thanks Again,
Charlton McIlwain
QUESTIONS:
1. When you talk about the "New World Order". What do you mean? What
groups are involved? What does such an "order" entail? And why are
members of the miltia movement and other groups threatened by it?
Generally people are talking about a cabal of insiders who seek
to form a world government with themselves as the despotic elites
who will manage such a feudal system with unlimited power. It is
believed that such conspirators (usually Jews manipulating the present
decaying elite insiders) seek to destroy the American Republic,
Christianity, and the white race, and everything else good and holy.
Now of course such could be taken as a characture of what is
believed, yet it is what is believed. It entails using the UN to
bring over foreign troops as NWO Hessians to shoot down Americans
and the use of American troops to perform similar atrocities upon
Serbians, Somalis, etc. It entails genocide by means of government
produced biological agents, like AIDS, Ebola, Anthrax, etc.
And the reason such things are believed is because there is an
element of truth in the matter. There is a movie out called
"Conspiracy Theory" in which the conspiracy theory turns out
correct. Last year, I watched a movie called "Last Long Kiss
Good-Night." Premise? A sleeper agent is awakened and she fights
the CIA which is trying to blow up half of Buffalo NY with a
semi-truck packed to the gills with liquid nitrogen. "Absolute
Power" and "Murder at 1600" are the names of movies which have
turned up during the past year as well.
So nobody trusts the gubbnmint any more. Nobody trusts the
media. Nobody trusts anybody.
Now in such a world, who am I to say any different? The
militia movement is steeped in such urban legend and I would be
looked askance if I said any different.
The real truth is so much more frightening: We live in the
age when the current civilization, decayed well past the point of
reform, will collapse under the weight of its internal barbarians.
There will be a massive die-off, without even the spartan comforts
of a NWO concentration camp. Instead of New World Order, there will
be No World Order or any order at all save that imposed by strong
men over the survivors.
This is why I advocate good people forming survival cells, so
that there are quality people who survive to form the foundations
of a new civilization, rather than having another 1,000 year dark
age. Let the criminal and parasitic element perish in the collapse
of the civilization they destroyed.
2. Today’s technology boasts of making the world a smaller place, of
being able to break down certain national/ethnic/racial barriers. Do
you believe that this is a good and useful by-product of technoogical
advances?
The first of your premises is correct. The world is indeed a
smaller place.
The second premise is incorrect except in the sense that separate
national/ethnic/racial barriers are being destroyed by short-sighted
interests foreign to the indigenous social orders which created those
barriers for its own protection.
What made peace possible between these national/ethnic/racial
differences was separation. With closer contact conflict becomes
inevitable, with the weaker either being assimilated or destroyed.
How well did the Amerind culture survive when faced with the more
politically and technically advanced European culture after 1492?
Now that such European culture has become paralysed by a lack of
will, further conflict is inevitable now that there there is no
supreme social order able to act against the forces of chaos and
conflict. The pretty toys and weapons of today merely ensure that
the casualty rate will be higher and inevitable. A good analogy to
the consequences of a smaller world and better technology are two
men locked together in a small closet with a Browning .50 cal.
apiece. The one who wins is the one who first pulls the trigger.
3. Do you as an individual, and the militia as a whole feel as though
you have an identity? If so, how would you describe it. If not, what
do you think accounts for your sense of identity loss or conflict?
I cannot speak for the militia movement as a whole. However, I do
have observations.
In and after April 1994 the majority of the militia movements
formed, I think as a reaction to the first anniversity of Waco. By
the end of 1994 there was an actual militia movement forming several
militias every week. The militia 'movement' was on the rise,
encouraging us and spreading fear among the government forces.
By March 25, 1995, there were rumors that the feds were going to
act against the movement by rounding up the leadership. Before April
19, 1995 it was a given that the government would commit an act of
terrorism and blame it on the militia movement. So when OKC happened,
nobody was surprized at what happened. We knew the government was
behind the bombing, using some Oswald as an excuse for their murder.
However, the increased scrutiny made the long-term survivalists
duck back underground just as they were beginning to make overtures
with the militia organizations. Thus the recruitment phase of the
open militia movement was stalled, then halted, although the open
militia movement continued with its already recruited membership.
At this time what was present was an understanding among the members
of the public militias of their common ideology favoring a Constitutional
republican form of government, hatred and fear of the NWO, and fear
of social disintegration. This common ground allowed infiltration
of militia units by informers and agents provacateur who said the
right code-words. So was spent 1995 to the early part of 1996.
In 1996 the government hammered the open militia movement
with arrests arising from the perjured testimony of agents
provacateurs, with the show trials and convictions of the Viper
Militia, the W.Va. Mountaineers, the Bob Starr bomb-making trial,
the Mike Kemp trial, etc. These trials caused the open militias
to crack because of their lack of internal security and for the
doctrine of "leaderless resistance" to take root, and then to
be acted upon. The leaders of the open public militias were
under attack for their lack of internal security arrangements
and for their willingness to allow groups like the Republic of
Texas to be killed and arrested at will. This lack of solidarity
crumpled the moral facade of "one for all and all for one" which
was the primary reason people joined a militia group -- for
protection from gubbnmintgungoons stealing their property and
terrorizing or killing them without recourse.
As a result of all this, 1997 was the year that the militia movement
went underground and became an actual Resistance movement. Because
the split up into autonomous cells hampers communication, it is
not yet ready to be a proactive force. With the advance of
Internet anonymous e-mail and encryption and the existence of open
news and propaganda sources via the Internet by 1998 the
Resistance movement should have a communications network in place.
By 1999, certain rural areas will be governed de facto by the
Resistance with no government occupation except by expeditionary
forces.
For all the open factionalization and infighting by militia
generals, there still is an 'understanding' among the natural
leaders of this developing Resistance movement. It is this
unnwritten 'understanding' of good faith between this officer
corps of Revolutionists which cannot be understood by those not
"born" into such an understanding. We recognize each other on
sight as if we were biological brethren. The pieces just seem
to snap together. Every one of us just does what he/she does
best, hence the formation of open and hidden communications hubs
and hidden ties with elements of the Constitutionalists,
White Nationalists, and Christian Identity movements.
I suspect, although I cannot prove, that a social order under
extreme stress generates its own protectors and sustainers who while
they cannot save the social order that gave them birth act to
salvage as much as possible for the times ahead.
4. If you could give a profile of the typical militia member, how would
you do so?
I think the profile of a typical Resistance member is a
rural man in his mid-thirties with teen-age or younger children who
is stockpiling food and ammunition for the times ahead. No criminal
or political record, keeps to himself and his family, is striving
to stay ahead and wants out of the system. A cell leader.
5. What do you see as being the most salient points of contention
between the militia and the U.S. government?
There is so much fear, loathing and suspicion between the Resistance
member and the U.S. Government that there no longer are any salient
points. There are no bones of contention, the solving of which
will 'cure' or fix the gulf between the Resistance and the current
regime.
The lines have been drawn. The gubbnmint wants to rule over us
absolutely and we won't let it. What is there to argue about?
6. What do you feel will be the "last straw" that will encourage violent
conflict between militia members and the government?
There is so much socially combustable tinder around that any spark,
no matter how tiny and petty, can unleash a conflagration which can
destroy the peace. You must realize that it is no longer a matter
of a regrettable misunderstanding which must be cleared up. No, it
is a matter of how much force can be brought to bear to clear up
the fire once brought into open flame. Sooner or later the amount of
separate fires will overwhelm the regime's fire brigade.
As Revolutionists, we have no idea as to what will spark the
conflagration. In fact, as keepers of limited means, probably we
will not put into the fray any of our forces until we are sure we
can prevail. Chances are better than 90 percent that the spark which
burns down the regime will come as a conflict between someone we
don't know and the ordinary police thugs terrorizing the wrong
person at the wrong time.
Take for example Carl Drega. Totally unknown quality to the
militia movement. He's 67 and finally snaps upon gubbnmintgungoon
provocation, ambushes and kills two state troopers, a municipal
judge and a newspaper editor and wounds a whole bunch of gunthugs.
Now he is a hero to our movement because one of him took out
some state criminals, who cannot understand his frustrations.
The average man understands and honors Drega because he too is
under this regime's thumb and wishes he could afford to do the same.
A point has been passed. Instead of some psychotic loser killing
some "innocent" unarmed women and children in a restaurant, you
have some person who will not be bullied going out and killing
his tormentors and making sure they are dead. You have somebody
openly going out and hunting these criminals down and killing
them. You have these cowardly thugs having to outnumber him
by thirty-forty to one ganging up on him before he is killed
without a whimper by his murderers.
You may not understand this. The gubbnmint doesn't understand
what happened, although they dimly realize that those whom they rule
are losing their fear, and that should be very scary for them.
Once that fear is lost and hatred reigns, a million cops, judges,
lawyers and their families will be dragged screaming under the knife
or into the fire by their former victims.
Get your mind off the triggering incident that will openly
herald the coming civil war. Rather, it is a series of incidents
which have created the hatred and the cause of the war to where it
became inevitable. Ruby Ridge, Waco, and now the Drega incident.
All mile markers which future historians will point out to say:
After here, the war was inevitable.
7. Many in the mainstream press characterize militia members much the
same as members of the KKK, Aryan Nations, and other white supremacist
groups. Do members of the militia movement deny any and all such
claims? Are there some militia groups that do espouse such an
ideology? If so, would you say those groups are in the majority or
minority?
No, "militia experts" such as Morris Dees and the FiBbIes'
Behavioral Science Unit say such things and their media allies
repeat such things.
The KKK and Aryan Nations are infiltrated so badly that they are
essentially ineffective as anything but for the media to use as
whipping boys. They are also effective for the Resistance Movement
because it keeps the FiBbIes and the media focussed on people
who have little self-discipline while progress is being made
by those who are both silent and effective.
However, it is the unknown Christian Identity and White
Nationalist "cells" which are currently the Resistance Movement's
shock troops. This is because they had a five-eight year
headstart in forming such cells. They are fanatical for their
beliefs and attitudes. They do not have any police records and
they only discuss their beliefs among themselves. No stranger can
infiltrate them.
Last year at the May 1996 Gadsden Rally I estimate a little
over a third of the militia members were Christian Identity
or White Nationalist. The percentage will go higher, perhaps
to 50-60 percent right now, as they seek out new recruits for
their cells, but eventually they will go back to being a
minority as Resistance activity becomes no longer a matter of
concern only among the CI or White Nationalists.
No Resistance leader can afford to disparage its CI or White
Nationalist elements. Their influence is overwhelming, and one
must at the very least understand, if not agree, with their
ideology.
My position is that of someone who is trying to expand the
quantity of the Resistance while raising the quality of the
Resistance at the same time. As the Resistance grows, it will
in some respects grow away from its CI and White Nationalist
roots, but still, no Resistance member is going to wish to
enforce through war a new centralized government regime over the
successor states, some of which will be founded on the the various
beliefs of its CI or White Nationalist elements. Let's win our
war first before we fight over what the post-war world will look
like.
8. Do militia groups deny membership rights based on race, color, ethnic
group, etc.
A Resistance cell denies membership rights to anyone who is not
a member of his family or of long friendship and personal knowledge.
The open public suburban militias have a tendency to recruit openly
anyone who will parrot their beliefs. That is why they are infiltrated.
As an anecdote, I remember one militia unit when it was activated back
in early 1995 had its CO boast that its XO was both Jewish and a female.
The more irreverent of us visiting open militiamen asked, "Is she
a lesbian? Is she a lesbian, too?" We thought it idiotic and unwise to
choose a second-in-command based solely on how well it played to the
prejudices of the PC bungholes and the media. From what we could tell
those criteria were the sole reason for that militia's choice of
leadership.
9. What are the basic ideological prerequisites for membership in a
militia organization?
If you are in a Resistance cell, your belief system will be a
known quality and well known by those who brought you in.
The militia movement, in both its Resistance and open elements, is
profoundly hostile to the current government regime. It is viewed
as an illegitimate tyranny imposed on those who would be free.
10. Do you believe that minorities are big part of the cause in what you
call America’s decline as a nation?
Not especially. I would blame any decline on those who were in
charge, and for all practical effect the minorities never were in
charge of anything, although they have been exploited by the regime.
11. How does it make you feel to know that you are being largely ignored
or hardly taken seriously by the American population as well as the U.S.
government? Would you say you are being ignored?
It is both irrelevant and beneficial to be ignored by the ignorant.
12. If you had your way, how would you “fix” America?
We are not interested in "fixing" Amerika. Far better to let
Amerika destroy itself, and then for us to go our own way when
there is no means to stop us.
We would form our own new governments and social orders free
from the burdens of the old order.
13. What would you say is your primary motivation behind what you think,
feel, do and say as a militia member in regards to your fellow citizens
and your government?
First of all, it is not my government. If it was my gubbnmint then
it would leave me alone to live my life in peace. But it won't. And
neither will the 'fellow citizens' slaving away to benefit the special
interests of 'their gubbnmint.' If I was allowed to live in freedom,
then they whine as to why must they live as slaves, and I'm allowed
to live free. Sooner or later, as happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco,
the gubbnmint will chain me up or kill me as an example as to how nobody
can be allowed to live free of its absolute rule.
Every single militiaman and Resistance fighter knows that this is
what happens. Our motivation is that we will not allow it to continue.
So the driving force behind the Resistance movement right now
is separatism from the corrupt elements of government and society.
We will not be assimilated into that which we despise. We will work
out steps, bide our time and do what we have to do to achieve our goals.
14. Would you say you are simply ideologically opposed to the U.S.
Government, “New World Order”, etc., or are there some things about the
way things are and the way things might be, that genuinely make you
fearful? If so, what?
As mentioned before, the above-mentioned symptoms are not the
main event, which is the decline of our civilization. The symptoms
are fearful, but not as fearful as the prospect of societal collapse.
15. Do you believe the proliferation of conspiracy theories touted by
militia members give less credence to your movement.
Conspiracy theories are just an attempt to give meaning to the
symptoms of social collapse. They are generated, they make the rounds,
they die, they mutate, they go underground, they resurface.
In case you haven't noticed, these conspiracy theories are not
restricted to the militia movement. The best course I have found is to
listen patiently to the latest rumor making the rounds and agree that
there may be something to it. These conspiracy theories and urban
legends are just natural results from the lack of trust in the
truthfulness and decency of the authorities and media.
I cannot change the fact that these conspiracy theories circulate.
I would not change it if I could.
16. What do you feel keeps militia members and organizations from having
a united, focused ideology or plan for what you want to accomplish?
What are some major points of contention between various militia
organizations?
Vanity and empire-building by militia generals. Simple human
nature. Nothing of any real importance.
However, the growth of autonomous Resistance cells means that
there will be no focused or united ideology or plan other than
freedom for the overall Resistance. We have no interest in overthrowing
the rule of a corrupt centralized regime in order to set up another
group of rulers over us in their place.
As time goes on and the Resistance is successful in destroying
the rule of the regime, a new plan will be worked out for the basis
of free government to be established by the winners.
17. Though you espouse “leaderless resistance”, would you say there are
definite leaders in your movement? Who would you say some of those
people are and what are their major functions.
The leadership which is being developed is within the action
cells. By definition this leadership is a hidden quality which will
only be revealed upon our eventual victory.
As far as the open militia movement is concerned, yes there are
certain leaders who are well known by both the elements of the open
militia movement and the FiBbIes. At some point in time, both these
leaders and the spokesmen of the propaganda cells such as myself will
be rounded up, maybe executed. However this curtailment will be only
a backlash by a doomed regime, it will not affect the Resistance,
which is rapidly developing its own leadership and communications
organs.
In fact, I have argued before that gubbnmint in-fill-traitors
and agents provacateur are actually good for the Resistance movement.
They weed out the stupid, the vain, the inefficient, the loud-mouthed,
the degenerate and idiotic elements and promote survival of the
fittest Revolutionist elements. That is why the Christian Identity
and White Nationalist cells have a headstart. They underwent the
survival test before the militia movement. If it wasn't for the
events of the past two years there still would be a bunch of militia
generals fighting over the microphone and not the beginning of an
effective Resistance movement.
If you want names, I'm afraid I'm not at liberty to divulge any.
The open effectives know one another. Occassionally a bishop or
knight must be sacrificed on the chessboard to set up the pieces
for a checkmate.
18. Do you believe that there can be a peaceable solution to the
problems you face with the U.S. Government?
Of course not. The ruling criminals are not going to peacefully
hand themselves over to our justice. So we will have to drag them
out and exterminate them the hard way, along with anyone who would
protect them from the consequences of justice.
As we get closer to winning, perhaps overtures of "peace" might
be offered, but not accepted. After all, we cannot build a new
social order or civilization if we leave alive the parasites and
criminals who made our revolution necessary. We can rebuild and we
will rebuild, but not until we have razed the old regime clear to
its foundations.
In a state of total civil war, policy is decided and implemented
by the most ferocious and implacable of the combatants.
19. Are there other groups/movements that you feel a particular
solidarity with outside of this country? If so, who? And, why?
I particularly admire Menacham Begin's Irgun, followed by the
IRA. These popular patriotic movements drove out a smarmy,
self-righteous army of occupation which is much like that of our
oppressors.
20. What amount of your frustration with the government would you say
stems from economic hardships?
Absolutely none. Revolutions are the work of dedicated minorities,
not, contrary to myth, the work of the majority.
When the time comes, Revolutionaries can always rob a bank or, in
these modern times, shoot a cop and take away his drug money to
finance Revolutionary activities. However, in these days, the
apparatus of Revolutionary communication and infiltration are
inexpensive. The average Resistance member, a natural survivalist,
is well able to take care of himself and his own without concern
for external economic hardship.
In fact, I look forward to the day when the financial underpinnings
of this 'Disneyland for Dummies' collapses and the desperate and
vengeful majority blames, rightfully, the ruling regime for its
hardship and travail. This ruling regime and its police state
apparatus must be made the scapegoat for their idiotic and repressive
policies. At that time a whole lot of revengeful justice shall be
carried out, and when the ruckus is over the well-disciplined and
prepared Resistance cells will be the only force left which can
impose its will. So economic hardship is really an opportunity for
Revolution. The attack on the Bastille on July 14, 1789, occurred on
the day when the price of bread was its highest in over 200 years.
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